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a million times a trillion more ([personal profile] dolorosa_12) wrote2020-09-13 01:18 pm

This hits a little bit too close to home

I've been avoiding Twitter for quite a while now, so I missed the latest instance of ghastly identity policing to have bubbled up on YA publishing Twitter, but the beats are as predictable as they are infuriating. As far as I can work out, a bunch of people decided to start calling out author Becky Albertalli for being straight, writing books about queer teenagers, and 'taking up slots' for the books of queer authors which might otherwise have been published. Albertalli, rightly upset by all this (for reasons which will soon become apparent), was thus forced into outing herself as bisexual not at a time of her own choosing, but in a way which was upsetting, and in the wake of harassment. (There seems to then have been a bit of subsequent goalpost-shifting by Albertalli's harassers, who, when they realised they now looked like awful people for bullying someone out of the closet before she was ready, started backpedalling and saying their issue with Albertalli's books had never been that their author was straight, but rather that they clearly weren't written by someone immersed in 'the queer community' — as if this were a monolith, and as if it were a universal requirement for a queer identity.)

I've been watching iterations of this play out in both transformative fandom and certain corners of professional publishing for at least a decade now, and I'm coming to the frustrated realisation that concepts such as ownvoices or writing certain tropes/pairings 'to cope [with trauma]' are reaching the limits of their usefulness. Ownvoices, which started out as a powerful tool to point out structural inequalities and ill-informed and harmful narrative choices and stereotypes, has become watered down at best into a marketing tool, as well as a shield publishers can wield to protect themselves from criticism. But at worst — and far more commonly, in my experience — it seems to be weaponised in instances of professional jealousy in the case of professional publishing, and personal jealousy in the case of fandom. The consequences can be awful: sourceland POC policing the experiences of those in the diaspora (and vice versa), people outed against their will, people feeling pressured to reveal mental illnesses and other invisible disabilities, people forced to make public past traumatic experiences to justify media they consume or stories they write, with the risk that these traumas are now known to their own harassers. I've been speaking in the general sense, but I have witnessed multiple concrete examples of every single one of the things I've described.

I really don't know what to suggest as a solution to this, because I believe it is right to point out structural inequalities in publishing (as it is in other fields), and I believe people are entitled to think critically about their own fannish, narrative, and tropey preferences. (I am slowly, however, coming around to the idea that outside of formal — by which I do not mean 'paid' — reviews and criticism, people need to take a step back from criticising or lamenting the fannish, narrative or tropey preferences of other people, or of fandom as a whole.) I certainly think we need to avoid falling into the trap of thinking of (marginalised) identities as monolithic, and we need to strive against linking purity, morality, experiences and identity from fannish, shipping, and narrative preferences. Of course certain stories and pairings and fandoms will resonate more than others — we are in fandom precisely because of these resonances — and sometimes that will be down to our own identities or experiences. I'm quite open about this when such things are true for me. But we don't owe those identities or experiences to anyone — we are entitled to choose how much of ourselves we make public, and no one is owed an explanation or justification for the fanworks we create, the professional fiction we publish, or the media both paid and fannish we engage with.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2020-09-13 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
(I surfed here on my Networks page, and I agree with almost all of your essay here, which... makes the one bit I don't stand out so much more desperately.)

I am slowly, however, coming around to the idea that outside of formal — by which I do not mean 'paid' — reviews and criticism, people need to take a step back from criticising or lamenting the fannish, narrative or tropey preferences of other people, or of fandom as a whole.

This is exactly the lesson I feared people would take from this debacle. I am appalled that OwnVoices, which was supposed to be about promoting marginalized creators, has turned into a reason for people to harass creators into revealing private corners of themselves. It's the pro-version of the fannish anti movement where people would demand of others that they reveal their "qualifying traumas" that gave them the "right" to write about certain topics.

But on the other hand, if we decide the answer is to give up on promoting marginalized authors in professional fic and to give up on discussing fandom trends in fandom, we will go back to what I saw in my early days in fandom where almost all the relationship-based fic was slash and almost all the slash was about two White guys because it was 'common knowledge' that no one was interested in anything else. Let alone the progress we've made on discussing religious diversity, disabled characters, and so on. I've been delighted in recent years to see characters of color seen as worthy subjects for slash and even het (defying the "strong Black woman who don't need no man" stereotype) and to not see people discourage others anymore from writing such stories. I don't want to give up that progress, but there must be a better way to continue achieving it than what the Own Voices movement and its fannish equivalents have metastasized into.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2020-09-13 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I definitely, definitely, definitely do no want to go back to a time when this was the norm, and I'm really sorry if I worded things so poorly that I gave that impression.

Oh no, on the contrary -- I brought up this point because you quite accurately came off as someone who would be receptive to it. :)

And don't I hear you. I am so frustrated with the people who are, quite frankly, using good ideas as a pretext for bullying and for 'dropping the Internet on people's heads'. I have been thinking for a long time how to be the change in fandom I want to see, and a lot of my ideas are congruent with yours -- reccing works that do the things I approve of, promoting advice on how to make fandom and pro writing more diverse, and so on.


. But we've desperately got to find a way to do it that does not allow the notion of 'authenticity' to become weaponised. That leads to gatekeepers, abusiveness, identity policing, and so, so, so many people feeling like their own experiences of their marginalised identities have been dismissed and erased. I definitely agree. Or at least we (the nebulous 'we' of readers and fans and writers and such) have to figure out how to spread the idea that weaponizing authenticity is both cruel and counterproductive. I'm re-inspired to think about how to do that.
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[personal profile] lirazel 2020-09-14 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
I don't see very much 'promoting marginalised authors,' and instead I see a lot of aiming Twitter mobs at individuals or weaponising ownvoices in an attempt to eliminate perceived competition.

You're so right about this.
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[personal profile] used_songs 2020-09-14 11:23 am (UTC)(link)
Honestly, I think it's less a tone argument and more a social-media-has-destroyed-our-ability-to-interact-thoughtfully-and-in-community argument. And I agree with you. If someone can get that boost of #K likes for saying something snarky, many people are going to take that bait. Half of us are out there performing for likes and the people who make the mistake of putting their authentic selves out there are going to get hurt.

I feel badly for authors who, it seems, are forced to perform in social media for their brands because they are in the vulnerable position of having to deal with a barrage of negativity. I wouldn't do it. Only the fact that I'm a nobody and I rarely show the chinks in my armor on any general-public-facing site makes me willing to enter the lists.
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[personal profile] evewithanapple 2020-09-15 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Truth be told, the authors who get big in ownvoices spheres are mostly the ones who've cultivated it as their brand. They set themselves up as Authorities On Diversity, and it serves a twofold purpose of letting them attack rivals on specious grounds of "diversity" (look, this person's book is Hurting The Children! Get them!) and shielding them from any criticism themselves, because of course The Authority On Diversity couldn't mess up in their own books! Look at authors like Mark Oshiro, whose misogyny goes unchallenged because he makes such a big deal about other authors' perceived racism/homophobia, or Justina Ireland whose online bullying meant her treatment of Native American characters in her books was treated much more gently than anyone else's would. It's nice work, if you can get it.
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[personal profile] evewithanapple 2020-09-18 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
Deb Reese wrote an overview of Dread Nation's issues with Native history here. It's not that I think Ireland deserves to be dragged on twitter, because I don't think anyone deserves that, but it does strike me as the kind of thing she wouldn't hesitate to inflict on someone else, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Mark Oshiro is the kind of person who deeply tests my capacity for compassion. Again, it's not that I think he deserves the full YA Twitter treatment, but the sheer level of active misogyny in his writing that's gone almost entirely without comment is mindboggling. And his next book is a lesbian romance! Wonder how that ties into the whole "only write ownvoices" discussion?
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[personal profile] evewithanapple 2020-09-18 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I know. God bless whoever wrote the "fucking magnets, how do they work?" review. But it does distress me that mainstream reviewers/YA community big names apparently lack critical thinking skills to such a degree that they see a book containing a tickybox list of marginalized identities and say "yes, this is representation!" instead of asking deeper questions about what the book is saying, how well the representation is actually done, whether a book with an Important Message can serve some identities well while failing others (I mean, I don't think the book serves any identities well, but that's another discussion, as is the fact that it's NOT EVEN OWNVOICES because Oshiro ISN'T BLACK SO WHY IS HE GETTING OWNVOICES CRED FOR WRITING ABOUT BLM) and how to handle the kind of toxic behaviour that is on display with the book's characters. Either that, or they think the behaviour is fine because it's done (ostensibly) for great justice, but that's just terribly sad.
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[personal profile] singedsun 2020-09-13 06:14 pm (UTC)(link)
That whole discussion really had me riled up, mostly because the original call-out post was originally just 'you're not allowed'. I hate this concept that if you're not out, you can't be writing about queer people. Or that there's this singular queer experience. Later as the conversation seemed to morph this original poster was still saying something akin to 'you can't profit off queer stories if you're not queer'. I GET the idea that we want to make more space for ownvoices in publishing. But the idea that BA was writing queer stories to make a million dollars and how dare she? just seems so ridiculous.

I know the conversation should be nuanced, but that original poster was not having that kind of discussion. She just kept digging in that BA was in the wrong because she made money as a supposedly straight creator in a queer space and with this slanted implication that she did it expecting to make millions.
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[personal profile] dhampyresa 2020-09-13 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
we don't owe those identities or experiences to anyone — we are entitled to choose how much of ourselves we make public, and no one is owed an explanation or justification for the fanworks we create, the professional fiction we publish, or the media both paid and fannish we engage with
WORD

I fucking hate the gatekeeping. Re this specific instance: Maybe some people are in the closet because being out isn't safe! How about that!
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[personal profile] dhampyresa 2020-09-14 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Even if it is safe, readers and peers are not entitled to this information unless the person actually wants to be out in every part of their life!
Yes! Exactly!
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[personal profile] thawrecka 2020-09-14 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
I honestly see "ownvoices" weaponised for professional jealousy more than I see it used to highlight books by diverse creators, and when it is used for the former there's almost always a strain of "all people in a group's experiences are the same and anyone who says otherwise should have their identity questioned". Almost nobody seems to care about actual structural inequalities in publishing, probably because calling those out might jeopardise book deals.

Worse, I increasingly see twitter calls for people to write fiction where only white characters or only straight characters & etc. exist, which seems to be going backwards from what should be happening.

I don't know what the answer is, honestly. Self pub has allowed a more diverse range of writers to get a foot in, though most of the stars there are also white and straight, and it has its own problems with harassment, resources, etc.
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[personal profile] lirazel 2020-09-14 10:22 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. I agree with you.

Is there a more toxic community than the YA publishing Twitter community? Literally every time I hear about them, it's because of something horrible like this. It just seems like a place totally full of holier-than-thou bullies.
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[personal profile] merit 2020-09-14 11:18 am (UTC)(link)
I'm in the same boat! Sometimes it does seem like a storm in a teacup affair, but the consequences...
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[personal profile] used_songs 2020-09-14 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed. And I hate that it happens there because, as a middle school teacher who is always trying to connect kids to books, the drama runs the risk of running off potential readers.
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[personal profile] evewithanapple 2020-09-15 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
What's that saying about how fights in academic are the most vicious because the stakes are low? It's like that, only they've all convinced themselves (or convinced others) that YA publishing is going to save the world instead of entertaining teenagers who are also going to develop their worldviews from a whole bunch of different sources.
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[personal profile] used_songs 2020-09-14 11:17 am (UTC)(link)
written by someone immersed in 'the queer community' — as if this were a monolith, and as if it were a universal requirement for a queer identity.

Queer community as a phrase has never meant anything to me, really. I'm queer, I have queer friends, I consume queer media (created by and/or about queer people), during a short period in my life I went to queer bars, for a few years we even had a women's bookshop here, etc. but the queer community for me is really just an amalgam of all of the places where people from different communities intersect. There are plenty of queer people I have nothing in common with, and there are lots of straight people who are my community because we share political and philosophical bonds. I wish being queer automatically made someone into a caring, aware, and open-minded person, but it doesn't in my (limited) experience.
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[personal profile] merit 2020-09-14 11:17 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, #ownvoices seems to have become a tool for publishers - which has diluted the power of the slogan and made it more difficult to find these reads. Considering the narrow ownership of publishers, more indie #ownvoices is also a priority. There's no one 'true' voice and the pitfalls of that perspective get played out on Twitter semi-regularly.
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[personal profile] laurenthemself 2020-09-16 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
I read the article and now I'm angry and sad.