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I don't usually do Reading Wednesday, but while flailing at
naye on Twitter about The Will to Battle, the third in Ada Palmer's Terra Ignota series, I realised I had thoughts about the book, and wanted to discuss them with others in a more permanent, longform location.
So, anyway, scattered, spoilery thoughts ahead! Don't expect a coherent review or plot summary - these are just a few bullet points of things that really stood out to me.
I came to the conclusion when discussing things with
naye yesterday that what the story most resembled to me was an account of the years/months/days leading up to World War I, with the same kind of horrifying inevitability of chances to avoid war pushed aside by people who had no way of comprehending the scale of the destruction that was about to unfold, because they had no frame of reference for the kind of war that was going to happen.
Of course,
naye summed this up perfectly: If WW1 started as a pub brawl with blokes pitching in to punch whoever shoved their mate TWtB is like a duel: everyone lining up oh so politely at the agreed time and place to do murder or be murdered. This was such a perfect summation, and so true.
One of the things I find endlessly fascinating about the Terra Ignota books is the tension between whether the future it imagines is a utopia or a dystopia, or neither. In some ways a world with no geographical nations (but rather a set of governing philosophies which people choose to align with once they reach a self-determined point of maturity; it's also possible to never make this choice, or choose to affiliate with no philosophy at all), no public, group expressions of religion, and no gender, sounds like a paradise (certainly the abolition of nation states would be welcome to this migrant!). On the other hand, the more you read the books, the more you realise that far from abolishing gender, religion or nationality, the people of this world simply put them in a 'too hard' basket, blamed them for all wars and inequality, and, instead of addressing the reasons why this had occurred (e.g. misogyny causing inequality, and doing something to address the way stereotypically 'feminine' things had been traditionally devalued), people simply made these things taboo and refused to discuss them. The end result is, of course, that far from being abolished, gender, religion and nation-states become these very naughty things that can be played with in secret by the privileged, and also become ways to manipulate and control people.
The Will to Battle in particular forces you to confront disconcerting things about yourself: what injustices you'd tolerate in order to be able to live in an otherwise utopian society, what kind of world, what kind of humanity is worth saving, and so on. In some ways, your answers will depend on which of Ada Palmer's 'Hives' (the political/philosophical affiliations that the characters choose to adhere to, and which have replaced nation states) you feel aligns most closely with your own ethical code; likewise, your choice of 'Hive' may have some correlation with how utopian you find her world to be.
It's really strange to me, because the series is by necessity focused on the privileged, powerful people of the world, and they're all kind of terrible people (I have my own preferences for some of the Hives, but even these Hives' leading politicians are pretty awful), but the painful inevitability, the inflexibility of different Hives' governing philosophy, and the corners into which this has painted them made me feel sympathetic to almost everyone, even characters I'd previously despised. I find stories about the collapse of societies, about people fighting hopelessly against the tide to salvage something beautiful in the midst of chaos and destruction, about worlds brought down by people who were never able to see their value really poignant and affecting (see also: The Lions of Al-Rassan), and I guess that's why this book speaks to me.
Anyway, feel free to jump into the comments and discuss anything you want about this book.
naye and
merit, I know you've both read it, and I'd love to hear your thoughts!
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So, anyway, scattered, spoilery thoughts ahead! Don't expect a coherent review or plot summary - these are just a few bullet points of things that really stood out to me.
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Date: 2018-01-13 01:45 pm (UTC)Which makes him feel like more of a victim though obviously "childhood issues" never condone "violent murder streak"! But it did make me see him from a new light.
Is Saladin alive. GOOD QUESTIONS. I think so? Because I think Madame really is using him as leverage but. He could also be dead? The only thing that makes Saladin different from the rest is that if he is dead, we don't know when and how he died. He must have been alive and well 13 years ago, that much we know. But all of Mycroft's other hallucinations (prison wraiths aside) are of people we know for a fact died (or altered out of existence).
Speaking of alive: how is MYCROFT still alive?? And how did he get everyone to persume him dead (and be all sad about it), annotate the manuscript with a "BTW still alive" and then disappear again what is going on with that?! I really want to know. Really really really.
The interesting thing with the Utopians is that when it comes down to it, they can't help but get involved in the practical and concrete immediacy of the war. Instead of hiding out, they get rid of the harbingers. Instead of hunkering down, they execute an audacious first strike - and Mycroft is very clear on what that will very possibly cost them. So the Utopians' ideals might be to strive to the stars, but more than half of them can't abandon present-Earth for a star-faring future. Which is also really interesting.